Church & State

 
England has a state church (a fact that–quite reasonably–gives that church, the Church of England, some privileges), but only the one. Now it seems luckless Brits are going to have to put up with this:
 John Denham, the communities secretary, said the values of Christians, Muslims and other religions were essential in building a “progressive society”…Mr Denham revealed that a new panel of religious experts has been set up to advise the Government on making public policy decisions. The move has been criticised by secularists who warned that it represented a worrying development. However, Mr Denham argued that Christians and Muslims can contribute significant insights on key issues, such as the economy, parenting and tackling climate change.
 H/t David Thompson who also has a few unkind remarks to make about absurd comments recently made by the absurd Archbishop of Canterbury and on which I posted here yesterday.
 
 
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Creationism in the Muslim world

A ScienceBlogs I have a post on Muslim Creationism data up. The paper, On being religious : patterns of religious commitment in muslim societies, has lots of information. You can download it at the link. Here are the topline results for evolution:
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It isn’t a representative sample:
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About 45% of American Muslims exhibit some level of belief in evolution according to the Religious Landscape Survey. Also, the sample above only includes self-identified Muslims (so the non-Muslim minorities in Malaysia and Kazakhstan are not included).

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The rise of McChurch, but not Old Time Theology

Mr. Bradlaugh’s post on the death of intellectual Protestantism, the highbrow aspect of what we normally term “Mainline Protestantism,” prompts to revisit some data which I’ve reported before, but want to reiterate.

First, the old Protestant denominations which have dominated our culture and set the terms of the debate in terms of what it means to be religious in America are now a small and dwindling minority faction. Pew confirms what has long been known, there are now more Evangelical Protestant Christians in the United States than Mainline Protestants. Here’s the breakdown:
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This is confirmed by the fact that the proportion of Protestants who have been “Born Again” is increasing. This is a broader term than “Evangelical” (which is broader than “Fundamentalist”), but the trendline is telling. Using the “REBORN” variable in the GSS, limiting it to whites, here is the trend for both Protestants and Catholics (Catholics as the “control”):
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The Death of Intellectual Protestantism

This past few days I have been undergoing a strange immersion in Protestant theology.

The subject here is Martin Gardner. I have been a fan of Martin’s since the days when I was a pretty regular reader of Scientific American, approx. 1960-1980. We have had some friendly exchanges: I have reviewed a couple of his books (here, and here) and Martin has blurbed one of mine.

Well, October 21 was Martin’s 95th birthday. I posted a notice on National Review Online. Among the subsequent reader emails was one asking me if I had ever read Martin’s autobiographical 1973 novel The Flight of Peter Fromm. I hadn’t, so I ordered a copy from Abebooks.

Hence the immersion. The novel has nothing at all to do with math. It is the story of a young man’s religious development from 1938 to 1948, the subject (Gardner, but removed to third person) being aged early-20s to early-30s. The fictional narrator, a very liberal-Protestant teacher at the University of Chicago Divinity School, is a generation older than the subject. He watches the subject’s religious development, from fundamentalist Bible-Belt Protestant to “New Mysterian.”

Imbedded in the narrative are explications — quite lengthy and thoughtful ones — of some of the great mid-20th-century schools of Protestant theology: Bultmann, Barth, Tillich, Brunner, Niebuhr, Bonhöffer …  It is surprising now to recall how well-known these guys were even to middlebrow Americans. It was all taken terribly seriously. Gardner:

Consider the writer John Updike. Who would guess that he had a Barthian past? Yet I was surprised to read, in Updike’s introduction to a collection of his essays, the casual remark that there had been a period in his youth when the only thing that sustained him was the Barthian theology. These young men to whom Barth spoke were searching desperately for a way to save the foundation doctrines of their faith. They saw the church rolling down the grassy slope to humanism and, like a dropped ball of yarn, the farther it rolled the smaller it became. [What an apt metaphor! Martin is really a very good writer. — JD] It seemed a clearcut either/or. Either a turn in the direction proposed by Barth or an honest abandonment of traditional Christianity.

Some of the controversies about Christology were positively 4th-century. Did Christ exist? Was he divine? Was he nuts? He doesn’t sound nuts in the New Testament. Hence the famous “trilemma,” popularized by C.S. Lewis but in fact going back to the gospels (John 10.xix ff.): if Jesus wasn’t nuts, he must have been what he said he was. The usual reply of the unbeliever is: Why couldn’t he just have been mistaken? To which the Christian answers: That’s a heck of a thing to be mistaken about, if you’re not nuts. And he doesn’t sound nuts … Gardner:

In Jesus’ time the expectation of a Messiah was so strong in the Jewish community that it is not difficult to comprehend how a wise and good man of lowly birth and descended from David (two criteria by which the Messiah was to be identified), who found himself drawing enormous crowds by his preaching and seemingly miraculous healing, would come to regard himself as the Messiah without being driven to that belief by neurotic compulsions.

In an age when everyone believed in the divine right of kings (I now bolster [Albert] Schweitzer’s arguments [in his The Psychiatric Study of Jesus] with some of my own), a king need not have been paranoid to believe that he possessed divine right. Today, when traditional Catholics still believe in the infallibility of the Pope (when he speaks ex cathedra), a Pope need not be paranoid to believe that (when he speaks ex cathedra) he speaks with the true voice of God …

The thing that struck me, reading this quite fascinating novel, was how dead this all is now. Go on: name a Protestant theologian born later than 1914. (The dates for Bultmann, Barth, Tillich, Brunner, Niebuhr, and Bonhöffer are 1884, 1886, 1886, 1889, 1892, and 1906 respectively.) All right, Harvey Cox**, but he’s not exactly a household name, as some of those earlier dudes were. Barth had his picture on the cover of Time magazine (April 20, 1962).

Let’s face it: so far as the great mass of American Protestants are concerned, theology is a dead letter. They are either “tribal Protestants,” going to church because their parents did, or because their neighbors do, or else they are Left Behind fundamentalists of the Huckabee persuasion, fundamentally anti-intellectual and indifferent to theology, or to any kind of intellectual inquiry. (Please note: There are no mentions of glossolalia or snake-handling in this blog.)  Intellectual Protestantism probably survives in a few seminaries somewhere, but nobody cares. If I say “intellectual theologian,” to you, you will probably assume I am referring to some RC. Even then, the guy has probably, with very few exceptions, been dead at least 500 years.

Question for discussion:  How is the death of intellectual Protestantism related to the fall of Anglo-America?

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** I know one you don’t know: John Robinson, author of Honest to God, much discussed among Anglicans in my student days.

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A counterweight to pessimism?

I of course hearken to my esteemed SR colleague’s bracing call to gloom.  But how could one not feel just a little bit joyful at yet another sign of the grass-roots knowledge explosion that the internet has fostered? 

an army of volunteer cartographers . . . are logging every detail of neighborhoods near and far into online atlases. From Petaluma to Peshawar, these amateurs are arming themselves with GPS devices and easy-to-use software to create digital maps where none were available before, or fixing mistakes and adding information to existing ones.

How wonderful is that?  I don’t possess anywhere near the understanding to be able to imagine where this extraordinary power to generate and share knowledge will lead us, but it seems to me that the results can only be overwhelmingly positive. Continue reading

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More from the Religious Left

In a piece of utterly unremarkable news, the Archbishop of Canterbury argues here for more taxes, attacks “fantasies of unlimited growth”, calls for “sustainability” (defined, presumably, by him and those like him) and once again raises suspicions that he’s just another cleric who can’t stand it when people do well.

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Terror-mongering in Illinois

The Republicans are once again fear-mongering regarding the transfer of Gitmo detainees to maximum security federal prisons on the mainland:

Several Illinois lawmakers say the Chicago area would become a terrorist target if Guantanamo Bay detainees are moved to a prison in Thomson, 150 miles west of Chicago.

U.S. Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), who is running for Obama’s old Senate seat, said he intends to ask Congress to assess potential security risks the move may pose to O’Hare International Airport and Willis Tower.

“With the busiest airport in the world and the tallest building in North America, I do not think that we should make Chicagoland the center of jihadi attention in the world,” Kirk said. “But if you concentrate four times the number of terrorists of anywhere else in the country in Illinois, you will make us ground zero for that attention.”

Since 1993, there has been one fiendishly successful, horrifyingly devastating Jihadi attack on U.S. landmarks.  The chance that  suddenly the Islamist terror network will pull off another one directed at the Sears (now Willis) Tower strikes me as rather low. 

Chicago Tribune writer Steve Chapman has an excellent column on the potential over-interpretation of the Fort Hood massacre.

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Creationism & Abortion

Razib/David, in your follow-up post on the subject of Sarah Palin and Creationism, you comment as follows:

It strikes me that those on the Right & Republicans seem more divided and emotive on this issue than abortion. More specifically, libertarian and secular Rightists seem more likely to express their displeasure about Creationism than abortion.

And you then give some good reasons why this might be the case. There are at least two more, I think, that could be added to your list. The first is that there are a decent number of strong arguments available to those on either side of the abortion debate. It’s possible for people to maintain their intellectual respect for the viewpoint of those with whom they disagree on this issue. By contrast, if there are any good arguments for Creationism, I have yet to hear them.  That’s why it’s so particularly galling for those rightists still attached to the whole science-and-evidence thing that a number of prominent Republicans have chosen, if not to go walking with the dinosaurs, at least to embrace “intelligent design”. So far as abortion is concerned, we should also remember that so long as Roe v Wade remains in force, most pro-choice Republicans (or Republican-inclined) may well decide that this is an issue that they can safely overlook when deciding that the largely pro-life GOP is the party for them. It’s interesting to speculate what would happen to the GOP should Roe v Wade be overturned.

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Traditions and tribes; the genealogy of civilizations

A few weeks ago the socially conservative sociologist who blogs under the name “Inductivist” had an intriguing post up, Social conservatives and Muslims:

Social conservatives typically align themselves with the West against the Islamic world in the “clash of civilizations,” but it needs to be recognized that in some respects we have more in common with Muslims than Europeans and many secular Americans. Our fight with liberal degenerates is not limited to the U.S. If Europe had any cultural conservatives, I’d happily team up with them, but I think they’ve gone the way of the dodo.

The overwhelming majority of Muslims, by contrast, are traditional. We need to work with them to fight against liberal cultural imperialism in their countries. I wouldn’t wish the humiliation of gay marriage on my worst enemy.

This is not an exotic or shocking observation. The fact that Muslim Creationists in Turkey co-opt and borrow American evangelical talking points in toto witnesses to some common affinities. That there are commonalities of substance between American social conservatives and Muslims (the median Muslim is more “conservative” on social issues than the conservative American Christian, so I think it is redundant to refer to conservative Muslims). On many social issues I’m sure that the Inductivist would find much more fellow feeling with Muslims than someone like me; I support abortion rights and am not opposed to gay marriage (though unlike secular cultural Leftists I can understand and respect the pro-life and anti-gay marriage perspective).
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Ross Douthat is back blogging

At The New York Times, Evaluations.

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