{"id":2423,"date":"2009-08-08T10:38:21","date_gmt":"2009-08-08T18:38:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/secularright.org\/wordpress\/?p=2423"},"modified":"2009-08-08T10:38:21","modified_gmt":"2009-08-08T18:38:21","slug":"more-on-collins","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/more-on-collins\/","title":{"rendered":"More on Collins"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Interesting comment thread on the Collins appointment. Just a few.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>P.Z. Myers bitterly attacks Kenneth Miller, who has provided expert testimony against &#8220;Intelligent Design&#8221; in court, as a\u00a0&#8220;creationist.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Perhaps Myers does so attack Miller somewhere,\u00a0but in <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2009\/08\/the_dilemma_of_the_anti-creati.php\">a posting this morning<\/a> he speaks\u00a0quite gently of Miller as a &#8220;friend&#8221; on evolution and a &#8220;worthy opponent on the issue of tactics in science education.&#8221; I\u00a0understand Tom&#8217;s hostility to P.Z. (he has explained it to me very eloquently), but having\u00a0\u2014 as Andrew says\u00a0\u2014 no God in the fight, I don&#8217;t\u00a0mind the guy.  He&#8217;s on my Google Reader &#8220;subscriptions&#8221; list because he often says interesting things.  He is of course a screaming\u00a0lefty, but that&#8217;s probably due to some nutritional deficiency or digestive disorder.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>the religion that created Western culture\u00a0\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>My impression has been that pagan Greece (philosophy, math, epic poetry, drama, military science, representative government, etc.), pagan Rome\u00a0(law, engineering, military science, administration), and pagan Germany (moots and assemblies, loose kinship, naval technology, days of the week), had <em>something<\/em> to do with\u00a0it. Christian solidarity got us through a nasty patch in the middle Middle Ages there, but for the rest, it was in the way at least as often as<br \/>\nnot.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Newton was a Natural Philosopher. Scientists came later.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In 1833-34, according to Richard Holmes, whose new book <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Age-Wonder-Romantic-Generation-Discovered\/dp\/0375422226\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1249754577&amp;sr=1-1\">The Age of Wonder<\/a><\/em> I&#8217;ve just been reading (for review in the September issue of\u00a0<em>The New Criterion<\/em>).<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I can\u2019t think of anything more unjust than taking tax-dollars from Christians to pay for a post they are excluded from by a religious\u00a0test.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I can, without trying hard, think of several things more unjust.  It&#8217;s a fair point none the less.  There&#8217;s the thin end of a wedge peeping out from\u00a0under it, though.  The NIH Director has a job to do: disbursing public money to research projects in the human sciences.  If a certain cast of mind\u00a0is necessary for that job to be done properly, then its presence will be a legitimate qualification for, and its absence a legitimate objection against, \u00a0appointment,\u00a0regardless of the distribution of that cast of mind among the population at large.  Strange, extremely non-modal casts of mind are often required in\u00a0government work.  Think of spies (and their bosses) or diplomats, or senior military men for that matter.  You could add the average politician to that list\u00a0\u2014 &#8220;an arse upon which\u00a0\/ everything has sat, except a man,&#8221; if I remember my e.e. cummings correctly.<\/p>\n<p>Further, the people most affected by Collins&#8217; decisions will be working biologists\u00a0\u2014 the <em>least<\/em> likely of all scientists to hold\u00a0supernatural beliefs about human nature.  (See <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lhup.edu\/~dsimanek\/sci_relig.htm\">here<\/a>).  Something is owed to them, too.<\/p>\n<p>Now here comes Andrew himself:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[Harris] fails to make adequate allowance for the fact that all humans are a mix of the rational and the irrational, and, critically, that\u00a0we are often quite skilled at understanding that fact about ourselves.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Agree with the first clause there but not the second.  My own scattered readings in modern neuroscience lead me to suspect that we know next to\u00a0nothing about ourselves, and just make up most of what we think we know.  Our brains are terrible liars.  The other week I was reading about a\u00a0neurological condition called <em>a<\/em><em>nosognosia<\/em>, which is the condition of having neurological dysfunction <em>but not knowing it<\/em>.  There are some very\u00a0startling instances in the literature.  You can, for example, be totally blind and not know it!  Unable, because of some lesion, to process information from the eyes, your brain just makes up a visual field.  You are, of course, stumbling over &#8220;invisible&#8221; furniture, but you can&#8217;t understand why.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s really amazing that we have any grasp of reality\u00a0at all.  With this understanding (supposing it to be a correct one) as a frame, the hopes of people like Dawkins and Harris for a coming reign of\u00a0pure reason just look preposterously utopian. \u00a0The beginning of wisdom is to see humanity plain.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Thus we &#8216;believe&#8217; stuff and yet, at another level, we don&#8217;t.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Following Mr. Hume&#8217;s recommendation, I bought and read Jason Slone&#8217;s book <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Theological-Incorrectness-Religious-Believe-Shouldnt\/dp\/0195169263\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1249754540&amp;sr=1-1\">Theological Incorrectness<\/a><\/em>, which does a very good job in this\u00a0area. I second the recommendation.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Collins&#8217; beliefs are what they are, but I see nothing in them which is likely to prevent him applying the &#8216;scientific&#8217; part of his mind\u00a0to the science, and, for me, that&#8217;s what counts.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I&#8217;m afraid I disagree.  There is a distinction to be made between science and high-level science administration.  The average scientist works in a\u00a0tiny patch of the garden, and doesn&#8217;t bother much with metaphysics or philosophy of science.  As I&#8217;ve noted before, being interested in that stuff,\u00a0and wanting to do science, are characteristic of two almost disjoint, only-just-barely-overlapping personality types.  Supernatural belief or\u00a0religious practice can easily be accommodated by such people, without any psychic stress at all, as Tom&#8217;s examples (Lemaitre, Mendel, Faraday)\u00a0illustrate.<\/p>\n<p>Director of the NIH is a very big Science-Administration post indeed, though.  At that level, a candidate&#8217;s notions about science at large become\u00a0salient.<\/p>\n<p>Collins has nutty supernaturalist ideas about science at large. Sure, we all have nutty ideas; and sure, Collins&#8217; particular brand of nuttiness should be discounted some on grounds of cultural\/historical respectability. \u00a0Making all allowances, though, I believe Collins is over the line of acceptable nuttiness for the position to which he&#8217;s been appointed. \u00a0I think his ideas about science at large disqualify him.<\/p>\n<p>Collins&#8217; &#8220;sterling\u00a0scientific credentials&#8221; make him a fine candidate for a position as a researcher, or supervisor of researchers, perhaps even director of a major\u00a0lab. \u00a0If I were running a lab, I&#8217;d hire him like a shot.<\/p>\n<p>But\u00a0\u2026 Top-of-the-heap NIH director dispensing tens of billions in research funding, most of it in the human sciences, which are (or soon will be) the last redoubt of supernaturalist pseudoscience?  Collins would not have had my vote.<\/p>\n<p>For Astronomer Royal, maybe.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Interesting comment thread on the Collins appointment. Just a few. P.Z. Myers bitterly attacks Kenneth Miller, who has provided expert testimony against &#8220;Intelligent Design&#8221; in court, as a\u00a0&#8220;creationist.&#8221; Perhaps Myers does so attack Miller somewhere,\u00a0but in a posting this morning &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/more-on-collins\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mi_skip_tracking":false},"categories":[9,15,21,13],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2423"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2423"}],"version-history":[{"count":18,"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2423\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2441,"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2423\/revisions\/2441"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2423"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2423"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/secularright.org\/SR\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2423"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}